hey guys, i'm working on a paper about exploitation amongst jehovah's witnesses ( i'm also preparing a book about jehovah's witnesses and interaction ritual theory, and another paper about jehovah's witnesses and discrimination against women).
i'm trying to calculate as exact figures as i can concerning how much bethelites are paid.
does anyone know the monthly stipend as of now?
From 1970 to 1974 at the the world head quarters it was $14 a month with a $8 travel allowance for subway tokens, for a total of $22 a month. Back then the tokens were .35 cents or round trip of .70 cents. Three trips to your congregation a week times four weeks a month for a total of $8.40 a month.
That is why most of us back there after working 46 hours a week making only about .12 cents an hour working working for Jehovah went out and got another part time job to support ourselves.
i'm writing this tread for the people out there that are still looking for some kind of answers.
people who feel the void that any organized thought system can produce.
people who know there is more to this life than our daily routine which eventually will end, when we no longer exist.
It's been a couple of years but I'm doing another ceremony tomorrow night here in Sedona.
I'll post any new epiphanies
many people like to boast about “jehovah being loving and impartial toward all”.
there are even scriptures that say words to that effect.. however, if we look at just his actual conduct and actions , and not accept the words supposedly written by his apologetic “bible writers”, the facts tell us something else!.
firstly, he chose one special nation and race of people.
It seems Russel was quit a raciest also.
“It too often happens that, while the Negro rapidly masters the rules and regulations of the Christian religion, he still continues to be gross, immoral, and deceitful. They (missionaries) may have succeeded in turning their disciples into professing Catholics, Anglicans, or Baptists; but the impartial observer is surprised to find that adultery, drunkenness, and lying are more apparent among the converts than among their heathen brethren.' And again: 'I regret to say that, with a few - very rare - exceptions, those native African pastors, teachers, and catechists whom I have met have been all, more or less, bad men. They attempted to veil an unbridled immorality with an unblushing hypocrisy and a profane display of mouth-religion which, to an honest mind, seemed even more disgusting than the immorality itself. While it was apparent that not one particle of true religion had made its way into their gross minds, it was also evident that the spirit of sturdy manliness which was present in their savage forefathers found no place in their false, cowardly natures.." Charles Russell ZWT Aug 15, 1901
this one seems to sum up what religious ideologies have given the world.. i have very deeply looked into the endless destruction and genocide that religious ideologies and dogma have inflicted upon human beings.
i have seen how damaged human souls are, how deeply depressive, meaningless, and prone to exploitation are the lives that many live.
religious dogma is at the root of this epidemic meaninglessness.
This one seems to sum up what religious ideologies have given the world.
I have very deeply looked into the endless destruction and genocide that religious ideologies and dogma have inflicted upon human beings. I have seen how damaged human souls are, how deeply depressive, meaningless, and prone to exploitation are the lives that many live. Religious dogma is at the root of this epidemic meaninglessness. Behind that is the thirst and cry for love. ----Mark Seelig "The Divine Spark"
Thank you for that blast of the past from my Bethel days.
"oh i'm not going to worry about it, armageddon will be here by then!".
-including me.
In their darkest moments. "Even if we are not right it's a great way of life!"
i remember an elder questioning a woman who had admitted to giving and receiving oral sex from her unbelieving mate.
he asked her the most intimate questions which clearly flustered her.
interestingly, she “confessed “ to the elders because her conscience bothered her.
"The blood in any person is in reality the person himself... poisons due to personal living, eating and drinking habits ... The poisons that produce the impulse to commit suicide, murder, or steal are in the blood. Moral insanity, sexual perversions, repression, inferiority complexes, petty crimes - these often follow in the wake of blood transfusion." - Watchtower, September 1, 1961 p.564
The society did mention that a blood
transfusions could cause “sexual perversions.”
Of course a person must now wonder if Leo Greenlees, the pervert and governing body member ever had a blood transfusions?
greetings, fellow word lovers:.
please add your favorite, clever smithing of words.. ****************************.
time flies like an arrow and fruit flies like a banana..
Can the old new light ever be new light ever again?
Answer only at the WB@T society.
for an all powerful, all knowing god it seems most of his plans go awry, so why assume that armageddon/ new system will work?
look at the track record.
... adam and eve... went wrong.
If the check the score board and god’s track record so far, it doesn’t look real good. According to the Bible this is how it’s looks so far.
Adam and Eve, Satan got two people, god got zero.
Noah and the flood, God could save only eight people out of thousands or maybe even millions of people.
The great world of Armageddon, God’s people number only about eight million, Satan’s people number around eight billion. It looks like god can save only one person out of a thousand.
After the Great War and at the end of the thousand years of peace? We don’t know. But the Bible says a “great crowd” would go Satan’s way.
So looking at the numbers, it looks like Satan
has three or four victories and God has zero.
roll call for the benefit of newbies and lurkers.
in one sentence tell why you left the org.
not 2 sentences.
I did the math. There were 7,000,000,000 people and 7,000,000 Jehovah's Witnesses so only 1/10 of one percent can be saved by their god?
